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Fantastic Four Director Clarifies Missing Thunderbolts Connection

Shakman says he wrote First Steps before the Thunderbolts sequence existed, handing off future storylines to the Russo Brothers.

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(L-R) Ghost (Hannah John-Kamen), Bob (Lewis Pullman), Yelena Belova (Florence Pugh) and John Walker (Wyatt Russell) in Marvel Studios' THUNDERBOLTS*. Photo by Chuck Zlotnick. © 2025 MARVEL. All Rights Reserved.

Overview

  • Matt Shakman confirmed he was unaware of the Thunderbolts* end-credit scene because it was created relatively late in his writing process.
  • Fantastic Four: First Steps includes two after-credits sequences—a mid-credits teaser hinting at Victor von Doom and a post-credits cartoon clip unrelated to Thunderbolts.
  • The Thunderbolts* end-credit moment, set 14 months after its climax, shows the New Avengers discovering a spacecraft marked with a ‘4’, but First Steps contains no reference to it.
  • Shakman likened the MCU’s storytelling to a relay race and said he has passed the creative baton to Joe and Anthony Russo for Avengers: Doomsday.
  • Perfectly self-contained in its Earth-828 timeline, First Steps remains in theaters as it primes Victor von Doom’s MCU debut and Franklin Richards’ powers for future crossovers.